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FYI
ETA is phasing out supplying their movements to third party watch makers.. this is the reason for the price increases on Swiss Models. Prices will continue to rise each month. At this point (8/25/08) ETA has sold out of all movements to 3rd party makers. What you are seeing now on the market are copies of the eta movements and are being sold as eta movements.
WE DO NOT AND WILL NOT SELL COPY ETA MOVEMENTS
Our Eta Watches are the REAL THING
BUY NOW BEFORE THEY GO OUT OF SITE
NOTE: 5/1/2008 REAL SWISS MOVEMENTS are getting very harder to find in China and the cost keeps going up and up. Today the Real Swiss Movement costs 50% more then it did 1 year ago and the price is still going up as supply gets tighter and tighter. Many replica watch makers have stopped using REAL SWISS MOVEMENTS simply because they can not affort to buy them. What do they use in their Swiss Watch ? GOOD QUESTION ! We will continue making REAL SWISS MOVEMENT WATCHES no matter what the cost is but please keep in mind that we do need to raise our prices a little to help make up for the increase in our cost
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A Word About "Swiss Grade Replicas"
There are many so qualities of "Grade 1 Replicas" available on the market today. A highly talked about grade is the popular "Grade 1" more commonly used to grade The Rolex Replicas
GRADE "1" is simply a quality that the site owner uses to grade his watches. To one site owner, Grade 1 may be a good quality watch and to another it is a better qualtiy watch or the best quality they offer. Truth is, The Grade can be anything the site owner wants to call it.
FORGET THE GRADE - The question is ARE YOU GETTING THE BEST QUALITY FOR YOUR MONEY ? Look at who you are buying your watch from, are they trusted, can you contact them, do they ONLY TAKE WESTERN UNION ?? or will they take a Credit Card so your protected ? If they are not on the Up and Up, they will not take a CC or Paypal etc. Are you protected ?
SWISS MADE REPLICA WATCHES - BUNCH OF BULL
None of the replica watches are Swiss Made. We had one customer that ordered a Swiss movement watch and took it to a jeweler and they told him it was not Swiss Made. What the jeweler didn't say was that the watch did indeed have a Swiss Movement in it. Lots of difference between Swiss Made and a watch with a Swiss movemnt. Some site owners tell you their watches are Swiss Made. Yes, Swiss Made in China ... haha
I love to see sites say their Swiss Grade 1 are different because on their gold models its Solid 18k Gold and will not wear. WOW They can sell real solid 18K Gold watch for $400 - $600. Amazing ! At the price of Gold, we can buy these for $600 and when we get the watch we can take it apart and sell just the case for Gold Value .. we can make $3,000 a watch just selling the 18K gold. Duh ??? wonder why they never thought of that??
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IMPORTANT INFORMATION
There are 2 different movements used in most of the Swiss Replicas being sold. One movement is the REAL SWISS Eta Movement and the other is the Chinese version (copy) of the Swiss Eta Movement.
Generic (COPY) Swiss Version of the Eta Movement
The generic version is actually a Chinese Copy of the Swiss Movement and usually has 21 jewels.. It costs less and it's actually a very fair movement. Feels the same, acts the same and operates almost exactly like the Real Swiss Movement. When dealers buy these watches, they are told they are Swiss Movements and therefore they are being sold to others and told they are Swiss Movements and then being sold as Grade 1 Swiss, but the FACT is, they are not REAL SWISS MOVEMENTS. Most of the sellers on the web do not really know or they don't want you to know the movement they have in their watches is generic. We work with wholesalers everyday and most of the wholesalers we deal with do not understand or know the difference. They insist "it's a Swiss Movement" but it's actually not.
THE FACT IS - THE SPECS OF THE COPY ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE SPECS OF THE REAL SWISS ETA MOVEMENT
QUESTION - Is the movement good ? ANSWER - it's a good movement for the price. It's smooth, accurate and should last. We rate it as a GOOD Movement
What it boils down to is this
If you pay for a SWISS MOVEMENT , then it should be REAL SWISS
JAPAN GRADE WATCHES
NO SUCH THING - Many sites tell you its "Japan Grade" they are not made in Japan, its simply a WORD TO MAKE YOU THINK ITS BETTER QUALITY - They are still made in China as all the others. Japan automatic movement in your Rolex ?? NOT A CHANCE ! Its a Chinnse movement ! Same goes with "Italian Made Rolex" NO WAY, its a Chinese made watch too! JAPAN MOVEMENT ? Japan movements are quartz no automatic for the most part
Could it be these sites are just giving you BULL ? or Do they not really know ??
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REAL SWISS Eta 2836 Movement
The Real Swiss Eta is simply one of the best movements on the market today
ETA is the name of the Swatch-owned Swiss company that produces high quality automatic movements for all kinds of watches, including genuine Omega and Tag Heuer watches. The 2834-2 or 2836 movement is part of the ETA Mecaline series of movements, and the 25-jewel movements are able to make 28,800 vibrations per hour (4Hz). They all have the hacking signal found in real Rolex watches (when you set the time, the second hand stops sweeping) and they all have an extremely durable construction through over 200 years of ETA's solid reputation. As a matter of fact, ETA has recently just produced the 200 millionth movement for Swatch alone. High quality parts, strict testing standards and total control of quality make this The perfect movement for those that want the BEST!
BIGGEST myth about detecting fakes, or at least the higher-end ones ($400 range). Those fakes use ETA movements - the identical movement used in "top-notch" genuine watches sold at high-end dept stores. Rolex's 31-jewel "3135" movement 28,800 beats per hour (480 bpm, or 8 ticks per second) - that defines the "smooth sweep". The ETA 2824 movement also sweeps at 28,800bph yet costs less. It's hard to tell from looking at the sweep movement of the hand
These movements simply the finest in the world.
You can expect a lifetime of operation from this movement.
The Real Swiss Eta 2386 is an automatic self winding / manual wind movement Features a shock resistant Incabloc
Anti-magnetic, ball bearing winding rotor
The 25-jewel movements are able to make 28,800 vibrations per hour (4Hz).
The same output as the actual Rolex HOURLY output
All operations on the 2386-25 are per genuine Rolex Models
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CHINESE MOVEMENT
The Chinese made movement is what is found in most all Rolex Replicas on the market today. Most sites will label their watch "Japan" grade to add value and quality to their watch however the movement is still a Chinese movement.
The Chinese movement is GOOD, keeps accurate time and will last several years with proper care. The second hand movement is smooth but of course the Swiss Eta is much smoother and more expensive
FACT: Most Swiss Grade Grade #1 Watches on the market today actually have a Chinese Copy of the real Swiss Movement
WITH WATCH CARTEL - YOU KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOUR BUYING - Take it to your Jeweler and have them check it and write us back. We will post your findings.
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WARNING
China is now making movements where the model numbers starts with ETA. Everyday I see buyers buying these thinking they are Swiss Eta Movements. They go up to the wholesaler and tell them they want watches with ETA Movements. The Wholesaler pulls out all their Rolex with eta movements and gives them a good price.. They ask, are these genuine eta movements and they are told YES!! Yes Chnese ETA MOVEMENTS. They buyer walks away thinking he has Real Eta ... that is why we are lucky being that we are located in China and our office is right in the middle of all the mfg's and wholesalers. At Watch Cartel, we know what is going on in the Replica World
THERE IS A LOT OF EXPENSIVE NONSENSE TALKED ABOUT Swiss Grade 1 REPLICA WATCHES
DONOT BE TAKEN IN BY CLEVER RETORIC AND MYTHS
*BEWARE* *FACT* - SWISS GRADE 1 WATCHES are not made in Switzerland. They are made in China as are 99.9% of ALL OTHER REPLICA WATCHES
MOST SWISS GRADE "1" WATCHES being sold are actually a COPY of the Swiss Eta Movement that is made in China. NOT A REAL Swiss Eta Movement
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At Watch Cartel - You Know Exactly What Your Getting In Your Watch
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TOP LIES ABOUT REPLICA WATCHES
I read an excellent post over at Replica Geek that outlines all the lies surrounding replica watches. This list was written by AllergyDoc and I think it will be useful to anyone first discovering the replica watch industry.
Many arrive here with minds polluted by scam sites and scam "review" sites: all peddlers of lies and deception.
In an effort to help cleanse the noobs' minds of this filth, I propose the following 10 common and devious lies and misconceptions about replica watches, and the business of manufacturing and selling replica watches.
Lie #1: The best replica watches are made in Switzerland, followed closely by Italy.
-- This is the biggest lie of all. All replica watches are made somewhere in Asia, mostly China. Saying that replicas are made in Switzerland or Italy is a lie intended to extract more money from the ignorant.
Lie #2: Replica watches are graded according to quality. C (or whatever) is the lowest and AAA+++ (or whatever) is the highest.
-- Who decides what is "C" and what is "A"? The "International Replica Watch Governing Board"? Pure nonsense designed, again, to get more of your dollars.
Lie #3: The movements in "Swiss made" replicas are identical to the genuine watch movements. 27 jewel movements are the best.
-- (See Lie #1 for "Swiss made".) Far from the truth. Very few replica watch movements come from anywhere but China and any watchman can immediately tell it's not genuine. There are no 27 jewels movements in replica watches; only 25, 21, or 17.
Lie #4: The best replicas are 99% true to the genuine and will even fool an Authorized Dealer (AD).
-- Not true. While some may be close (picking a number is impossible) to the genuine, all replicas are flawed. Do you really think you can spend $200 or less and get a watch that's 99% identical to a $4,000-20,000 watch? As for fooling ADs, maybe. Common clerks are easily fooled, but seasoned ADs, upon close inspection, will know it's a replica.
Lie #5: The gold on "Swiss grade" replicas is much higher than on other replicas. The crown, bezel, and mid links are solid gold and the full-gold replicas are 5-wrapped (or 6-wrapped, or whatever).
-- While a few models have been shown to have solid gold mid links (Rolex replicas), the rest of the watch is gold plated or double or triple wrapped gold. ("Search" for threads on how this is done.)
Lie #6: The best Rolex replicas are made with 904L grade steel.
-- Big fat lie. Good replicas are made with 316L quality steel. Rolex is the only company that uses 904L steel and it costs 3 times as much as 316L (one reason why they are so expensive).
Lie #7: Buying a replica watch is risky, but not if you use sellers from "Replica Review" sites.
-- What most people don't know is the "review" sites are owned and operated by the people who run the sites they recommend--it's very incestuous. These "review" sites are clever and it's easy to get taken in by their lies.
Lie #8: You can tell you're getting a good watch after a thorough examination of the web site.
-- Please. If you think everything displayed on the web is true, you deserve to be fleeced. Scam sites lie about everything, from the quality of their goods to their pledge to make sure every customer is happy. Many even post pictures of genuine watches, (Look for pictures where the watch hands are set at "10:10." Pictures of genuine watches seen in advertisements are always set to "10:10.") but send you junk.
Lie #9: Picking a good seller will always result in getting a good watch, one I won't have trouble with.
-- We wish. Quality control in replica watch factories is hit-and-miss, but mostly shoddy. One batch may be great while the next produces watches that are DOA. (Remember, making replica watches is illegal, even in China. Replica watch "factories" are usually small operations that can be easily moved or hidden from prying authorities.) What is true, though, is a good dealer will want to protect his/her reputation and will fix whatever is wrong.
Lie #10: Paying by COD is the best way to get the cheapest price. Plus, I can examine my watch before paying the courier to make sure I get what I paid for.
-- A really dumb thing to do and a huge red flag that you're dealing with a true scammer. They want cash because they know you'll scream foul to your credit card company the moment you see the junk you just paid $1,000 for. and of course you have to give the cash to the driver before he will ever give you the package. Once you open the package, no giving it back to the driver or getting your money back. If the site takes Credit Cards or Paypal, the chances are good your going to get a better product because its easy to charge back a payment when you use these methods of payment.
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QUESTION : Is the UPGRADED WATCH - is the movement the only difference ? ANSWER : In the REAL SWISS Eta Movement, you will see that the date is larger then in the Generic model.
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QUESTION : Is the second hand sweep the same in both movements? ANSWER : The REAL SWISS Eta Movement has a smoother sweep.
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QUESTION : Is the Real Swiss Movement NEW or Used? ANSWER : Thats a very good question - There are New and OLD Swiss Movements on the market and thjey are being used. They are take outs from other watches, reconditioned and sold to watch makers at a discount. Many of the replica makers are using the OLD (as they call it) actually they should call it USED. The cost of these movements is much lower. When they buy New Real Swiss Movement's they have to buy 500 at a time. Most watch makers can not afford to do that so they buy used, take outs.
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QUESTION : Do you use OLD or Used Movement? ANSWER : None of our Swiss Movements are USED or OLD. We only use BRAND NEW UN-MODIFIED MOVEMENTS.
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QUESTION : How do you rate the quality of your Swiss Watches? ANSWER : We always try to improve our watches on an ongoing basis. We can never be satisified with our quality, we always want it to be better. At this point, we feel we have one of the best and most true to original available. If you have a suggestion as to how we can make it better, please let us know. WE LISTEN ! We RATE OUR WATCHES "BEST"
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QUESTION : On your gold watches, is the Gold Solid 18k Gold? ANSWER : We see this often, replicas being sold as 14 or 18k solid gold case and band. Ha HA - At the price of GOLD, they could sell their case and band as scrap gold and get more then they are selling their watches for. They don't need to sell the watches, just sell their parts for scrap gold prices. Think about it ? Maybe there are some out there with solid gold but be prepared to pay thousands of dollars for it.
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